Difference between revisions of "Comparing "youdian" and "yidian""

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Level

B1 / HSK3
Level

B1
Level

HSK3
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Similar to
- Expressing "a little too" with "you dian" (HSK2)
- Expressing "not at all" with "yidianr ye bu" (HSK4)
- Expressing "a bit too" (HSK5)
Used for

Adding more explanation, Expressing attitude, Expressing degree
Keywords

点, 有点, 有点儿, 一点

有点 yǒudiǎn and 一点 yīdiǎn (有点儿 [yǒudiǎn] and 一点儿 [yǒu yīdiǎner] in Northern dialects) both mean the same thing, "a little" or "a bit", but they have different ways of being used in sentences.

Positions in sentence is different

有点 (also 有点儿) is placed after a subject but before an adjective, and it usually expressed something that you don't want. Some examples of adjectives that can be coupled with 有点 are 生气, 伤心, 难过，讨厌 etc.

有点儿 is before adjective

有点儿+Adjective

Examples

我觉得这个人 有点儿 懒。I think this person is a little lazy.
在这里工作 有点儿 累。It is a little tiring to work here.
今天 有点儿 冷。Today it's a little cold.
水 有点儿 热。The water is a little warm.
上海菜 有点儿 甜。Shanghai food is a little sweet.
我 有点儿 饿。I'm a little hungry.
老板 有点儿 生气。The boss is a little mad.
我 有点儿 讨厌这个地方。I dislike this place a little.
妈妈 有点儿 难过。Mom is a little sad.
她走了，他 有点儿 伤心。She left, he is a little broken hearted.

一点 (also 一点儿) cannot be placed before an adjective, instead, it is placed after an adjective. The adjectives that can be used are particularly limited. They often express some kind of comparison.

一点儿 is after adjective

Adjective + （了）一点儿

Examples

老板，便宜 一点儿 吧。Sir, a little cheaper please. (directed to the owner of a shop)
请说得慢 一点儿。Please speak a little more slowly.
快一点儿，要迟到了。A bit faster, we will be late.
我们应该做得好 一点儿。We should make it a bit better.
放点肉吧，好吃 一点儿。Put some meat in it, it will taste a bit better.
这个地方的衣服贵 一点儿，但是好看 一点儿。This place's clothes are a bit expensive, but they are a bit prettier.
这个菜辣了 一点儿。This dish is a little spicy.
蛋糕不错，可是甜了一点儿。The cake is good, but it is a bit sweet.
上海比北京热 一点儿。Shanghai is a bit hotter than Beijing.
我们今天学的语法会难 一点儿。The grammar we studied today was a bit difficult.

Negative forms are different

In this structure, after 有点(or 有点儿) you can use 不 or 没, however the following adjective should have a positive connotation, like 高兴, 安全, 太好 etc.

Negative 有点儿

有点儿+ 不/没 + Adjective/Verb

Examples

我觉得这个人 有点儿 不聪明。I think this person is a little stupid (Lit: is a little not clever).
老板 有点儿 不高兴。The boss is a little unhappy.
我今天 有点儿 不舒服。Today I am a little uncomfortable (Lit: a little not comfortable).
晚上一个人回家 有点儿 不安全。Last night a person returned home a little unsafe.
我还是 有点儿 不明白。I still don't really understand. (Lit: a little not understand)
这样做 有点儿 不太好 吧。Making it this way is not very good.
这个时间 有点儿 不方便。This time is a bit inconvenient.
我 有点儿 不喜欢 这个地方。I don't really like this place.
他 有点儿 不想回美国。He doesn't really want to go to America.
我 有点儿 不相信 他。I am a little unconvinced.

一点 (or 一点儿) cannot be linked together directly, but it can be used in the 一点儿也/都不 or 一点儿也/都没 structure.

Negative 一点儿

一点儿+ 也/都+ 不/没 + Adjective

Examples

老板，便宜 一点儿 吧。Sir, a little cheaper please. (directed to the owner of a shop)
这个老师说话 一点儿都 不慢。This teacher does not speak slowly at all.
我们做得 一点儿都 不好。We did not do it well at all.
这个菜 一点儿都 不好吃。This dish is not delicious at all.
这个地方的衣服 一点儿都 不贵。This place's clothes are not expensive at all.
这是四川菜吗？一点儿也 不辣。This is Sichuan food? It is not spicy at all.
为什么这个可乐 一点儿也 不甜?Why is this coke not sweet at all?
今天一点儿也 不热。Today is not hot at all.
我们今天学的语法 一点儿也 不难。The grammar that we studied today is not hard at all.
你看起来 一点儿 也不累。You look like you are not even a bit tired.

Examples of right and wrong sentences

我有点饿。

I'm a bit hungry.

我一点饿。

I'm a little hungry.

老板 有点儿 生气。

The boss is a bit angry.

老板 一点儿 生气。

Boss is a little angry.

这件衣服贵了 一点儿 。

This piece of clothing is a bit expensive.

这件衣服贵了 有点儿 。

This piece of clothing expensive a little.

老板，便宜 一点儿 吧。

Sir, how about a bit cheaper?

老板，便宜 有点儿 吧。

Sir, how about a little cheaper?

Example dialog

A: 这件衣服有点儿贵啊。This piece of clothing is a bit expensive.
B: 是贵了 一点儿，但是真的很好看，我好喜欢。It's a bit expensive, but it looks really good, I like it.
A: 服务员，这件衣服能不能便宜一点？Attendant, could we get this a little cheaper?
C: 不好意思，这是新的，一点儿 也不能便宜。I'm sorry, this is a new item, it can't even be a little bit cheaper.

Sources and further reading

Books

Websites

Chinesegrammar.info: Where to place 一点儿 (yī diǎnr) in a sentence

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-{{Grammar Box}} \r\n
+{{Grammar Box}}
-有点 yǒudiǎn and 一点 yīdiǎn (有点儿 [yǒudiǎn] and 一点儿 [yǒu yīdiǎner] in Northern dialects) both mean the same thing, "a little" or "a bit", but they have different ways of being used in sentences.\r\n
+有点 yǒudiǎn and 一点 yīdiǎn (有点儿 [yǒudiǎn] and 一点儿 [yǒu yīdiǎner] in Northern dialects) both mean the same thing, "a little" or "a bit", but they have different ways of being used in sentences.
 == Positions in sentence is different==
-有点 (also 有点儿) is placed after a subject but before an adjective, and it usually expressed something that you don't want. Some examples of adjectives that can be coupled with 有点 are 生气, 伤心, 难过，讨厌 etc.\r\n=== 有点儿 is before adjective===\r\n<div class="jiegou">\r\n有点儿+Adjective\r\n</div>\r\n=== Examples ===\r\n<div class="liju">\r\n* 我 觉得 这 个 人 <em>有点儿</em>  <strong>懒</strong>。<span class="trans">I think this person is a little lazy.</span>
+有点 (also 有点儿) is placed after a subject but before an adjective, and it usually expressed something that you don't want. Some examples of adjectives that can be coupled with 有点 are 生气, 伤心, 难过，讨厌 etc.
+=== 有点儿 is before adjective===
+<div class="jiegou">
+有点儿+Adjective
+</div>
+=== Examples ===
+<div class="liju">
+* 我 觉得 这 个 人 <em>有点儿</em>  <strong>懒</strong>。<span class="trans">I think this person is a little lazy.</span>
 * 在 这里 工作 <em>有点儿</em>  <strong>累</strong>。<span class="trans">It is a little tiring to work here.</span>
 * 今天 <em>有点儿</em>  <strong>冷</strong>。<span class="trans">Today it's a little cold.</span>
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 * 我 <em>有点儿</em> <strong>讨厌</strong> 这 个 地方。<span class="trans">I dislike this place a little.</span>
 * 妈妈 <em>有点儿</em> <strong>难过</strong>。<span class="trans">Mom is a little sad.</span>
-* 她 走 了，他 <em>有点儿</em> <strong>伤心</strong>。<span class="trans">She left, he is a little broken hearted.</span>\r\n</div>\r\n一点 (also 一点儿) cannot be placed before an adjective, instead, it is placed after an adjective. The adjectives that can be used are particularly limited. They often express some kind of comparison.\r\n=== 一点儿 is after adjective ===\r\n<div class="jiegou">
+* 她 走 了，他 <em>有点儿</em> <strong>伤心</strong>。<span class="trans">She left, he is a little broken hearted.</span>
+</div>
+一点 (also 一点儿) cannot be placed before an adjective, instead, it is placed after an adjective. The adjectives that can be used are particularly limited. They often express some kind of comparison.
+=== 一点儿 is after adjective ===
+<div class="jiegou">
 Adjective + （了）一点儿
-</div>\r\n=== Examples ===\r\n<div class="liju">\r\n* 老板，<strong>便宜</strong>  <em>一点儿</em> 吧。<span class="trans">Sir, a little cheaper please. (directed to the owner of a shop)</span>
+</div>
+=== Examples ===
+<div class="liju">
+* 老板，<strong>便宜</strong>  <em>一点儿</em> 吧。<span class="trans">Sir, a little cheaper please. (directed to the owner of a shop)</span>
 * 请 说 得 <strong>慢</strong> <em>一 点 儿</em>。<span class="trans">Please speak a little more slowly.</span>
 * <strong>快</strong> 一点儿，要 迟到 了。<span class="trans">A bit faster, we will be late.</span>
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 * 蛋糕 不错，可是 <strong>甜</strong>了<em>一点儿</em>。<span class="trans">The cake is good, but it is a bit sweet.</span>
 * 上海 比 北京 <strong>热</strong> <em>一点儿</em>。<span class="trans">Shanghai is a bit hotter than Beijing.</span>
-* 我们 今天 学 的 语法 会<strong>难</strong> <em>一点儿</em>。<span class="trans">The grammar we studied today was a bit difficult.</span>\r\n</div>\r\n== Negative forms are different ==\r\nIn this structure, after 有点(or 有点儿) you can use 不 or 没, however the following adjective should have a positive connotation, like 高兴, 安全, 太好 etc. \r\n=== Negative 有点儿 ===\r\n<div class="jiegou">
+* 我们 今天 学 的 语法 会<strong>难</strong> <em>一点儿</em>。<span class="trans">The grammar we studied today was a bit difficult.</span>
+</div>
+== Negative forms are different ==
+In this structure, after 有点(or 有点儿) you can use 不 or 没, however the following adjective should have a positive connotation, like 高兴, 安全, 太好 etc.
+=== Negative 有点儿 ===
+<div class="jiegou">
 有点儿+ 不/没 + Adjective/Verb
-</div>\r\n=== Examples ===\r\n<div class="liju">\r\n* 我 觉得 这 个 人 <em>有点儿</em>  <strong>不 聪明</strong>。<span class="trans">I think this person is a little stupid (Lit: is a little not clever).</span>
+</div>
+=== Examples ===
+<div class="liju">
+* 我 觉得 这 个 人 <em>有点儿</em>  <strong>不 聪明</strong>。<span class="trans">I think this person is a little stupid (Lit: is a little not clever).</span>
 * 老板 <em>有点儿</em>  <strong>不 高兴</strong>。<span class="trans">The boss is a little unhappy.</span>
 * 我 今天 <em>有点儿</em>  <strong>不 舒服</strong>。<span class="trans">Today I am a little uncomfortable (Lit: a little not comfortable).</span>
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 * 他 <em>有点儿</em> <strong>不想</strong>回 美国。<span class="trans">He doesn't really want to go to America.</span>
 * 我 <em>有点儿</em> <strong>不 相信</strong> 他。<span class="trans">I am a little unconvinced.</span>
-</div>\r\n一点 (or 一点儿) cannot be linked together directly, but it can be used in the 一点儿也/都不 or 一点儿也/都没 structure.\r\n=== Negative 一点儿 ===\r\n<div class="jiegou">
+</div>
+一点 (or 一点儿) cannot be linked together directly, but it can be used in the 一点儿也/都不 or 一点儿也/都没 structure.
+=== Negative 一点儿 ===
+<div class="jiegou">
 一点儿+ 也/都+ 不/没 + Adjective
-</div>\r\n=== Examples ===\r\n<div class="liju">\r\n* 老板，<strong>便宜</strong>  <em>一点儿</em> 吧。<span class="trans">Sir, a little cheaper please. (directed to the owner of a shop)</span>
+</div>
+=== Examples ===
+<div class="liju">
+* 老板，<strong>便宜</strong>  <em>一点儿</em> 吧。<span class="trans">Sir, a little cheaper please. (directed to the owner of a shop)</span>
 * 这 个 老师 说话 <em>一点儿 都</em> <strong>不 慢</strong>。<span class="trans">This teacher does not speak slowly at all.</span>
 * 我们 做 得 <em>一点儿 都</em> <strong>不 好</strong>。<span class="trans">We did not do it well at all.</span>
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 * 我们 今天 学 的 语法 <em>一点儿 也</em> <strong>不 难</strong>。<span class="trans">The grammar that we studied today is not hard at all.</span>
 * 你 看起来 <em>一点儿</em> <strong> 也 不 累</strong>。<span class="trans">You look like you are not even a bit tired.</span>
-</div>\r\n== Examples of right and wrong sentences ==\r\n<div class="liju">
+</div>
+== Examples of right and wrong sentences ==
+<div class="liju">
 <ul>
 <li class="o">我 <em>有点</em> <strong>饿</strong>。</li><span class="trans">I'm a bit hungry.</span>
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 <li class="x">老板，便宜  <em>有点儿</em> 吧。</li><span class="trans">Sir, how about a little cheaper?</span>
 </ul>
-</div>\r\n== Example dialog ==\r\n<div class="liju">
+</div>
+== Example dialog ==
+<div class="liju">
 * A: 这件衣服<em>有点儿</em><strong>贵</strong>啊。<span class="trans">This piece of clothing is a bit expensive.</span>
 * B: 是 <strong>贵</strong>  了 <em>一点儿</em>，但是 真 的 很 好看，我 好 喜欢。<span class="trans">It's a bit expensive, but it looks really good, I like it.</span>
 * A: 服务员，这 件 衣服 能 不 能 <strong>便宜</strong> <em>一点</em>？<span class="trans">Attendant, could we get this a little cheaper?</span>
 * C: 不好意思，这 是 新 的，<em>一点儿</em> <strong>也 不 能 便宜</strong>。<span class="trans">I'm sorry, this is a new item, it can't even be a little bit cheaper.</span>
-</div>\r\n== See also ==
+</div>
+== See also ==
 * [[Expressing "A bit too"]]
 * [[Expressing "a little too" with "you dian"]]
-* [["Not at all"]]\r\n== Sources and further reading ==
+* [["Not at all"]]
+== Sources and further reading ==
 === Books ===
 *[[现代汉语八百词（增订本）]] (“一点儿”p. 602) [http://www.amazon.cn/%E7%8E%B0%E4%BB%A3%E6%B1%89%E8%AF%AD%E5%85%AB%E7%99%BE%E8%AF%8D/dp/B001198GSW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345693275&sr=8-1 →buy]
 *[[现代汉语八百词（增订本）]] (“有点儿”p. 633) [http://www.amazon.cn/%E7%8E%B0%E4%BB%A3%E6%B1%89%E8%AF%AD%E5%85%AB%E7%99%BE%E8%AF%8D/dp/B001198GSW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345693275&sr=8-1 →buy]
-*[[对外汉语教学语法释疑201例]] (p.172) [http://www.amazon.cn/%E7%8E%B0%E4%BB%A3%E6%B1%89%E8%AF%AD%E5%85%AB%E7%99%BE%E8%AF%8D/dp/B001198GSW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345693275&sr=8-1 →buy]\r\n=== Websites ===
+*[[对外汉语教学语法释疑201例]] (p.172) [http://www.amazon.cn/%E7%8E%B0%E4%BB%A3%E6%B1%89%E8%AF%AD%E5%85%AB%E7%99%BE%E8%AF%8D/dp/B001198GSW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345693275&sr=8-1 →buy]
-* Chinesegrammar.info: [http://chinesegrammar.info/general/yi-dianr-placement/ Where to place 一点儿 (yī diǎnr) in a sentence]\r\n[[Category:grammar comparison]]
+=== Websites ===
+* Chinesegrammar.info: [http://chinesegrammar.info/general/yi-dianr-placement/ Where to place 一点儿 (yī diǎnr) in a sentence]
+[[Category:grammar comparison]]
 {{Basic Grammar|有点（儿）|A2|有点（儿） vs 一点（儿）|这 衣服 <em>有点儿</em> 贵 ， 便宜 <em>一点儿</em> 吧。|grammar point|ASGV55Y4}}
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Difference between revisions of "Comparing "youdian" and "yidian""

Revision as of 09:11, 26 November 2013

Contents

Positions in sentence is different

有点儿 is before adjective

Examples

一点儿 is after adjective

Examples

Negative forms are different

Negative 有点儿

Examples

Negative 一点儿

Examples

Examples of right and wrong sentences

Example dialog

See also

Sources and further reading

Books

Websites