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The differences between 对于 (duìyú) and 至于 (zhìyú) can be confusing. They both have similar meanings like "concerning," "regarding" or "as for," and differences are subtle.
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== Use 对于 to Emphasizes the Object ==
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对于 usually emphasizes the thing that it is pointing to. Usually where you use 对 you can also use 对于.
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=== Structure ===
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As an adverb or adverbial clause, you can place 对于 before or after the subject. It cannot be an attributive modifier (coming before a noun).
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<div class="jiegou">
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Subj. + 对于 + Object + Predicate
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<div class="jiegou">
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对于 + Object， Subj. + Predicate
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=== Examples ===
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* <em>对于</em> 电脑 ，我 什么 都 不 懂。<span class="pinyin"><em>Duìyú</em> diànnǎo, wǒ shénme dōu bù dǒng.</span><span class="trans">With regards to computers, I don't understand anything.</span>
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* 我 <em>对于</em> 电脑 什么 都 不 懂。<span class="pinyin">Wǒ <em>duìyú</em> diànnǎo shénme dōu bù dǒng.</span><span class="trans">I don't understand anything about computers.</span>
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* <em>对于</em> 这 种 人，就 不 该 跟 他们 讲 道理。<span class="pinyin"><em>Duìyú</em> zhè zhǒng rén, jiù bù gāi gēn tāmen jiǎng dàolǐ.</span><span class="trans">With this kind of person, you shouldn't try to reason with them.</span>
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== Use 至于 to Change the Topic ==
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Note that to ''change'' a topic, there needs to be another topic first. So you ''don't'' use 至于 to start an entirely new discussion free of any existing topic.
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=== Structure ===
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As a preposition, 至于 points to another topic, serving to change the subject of conversation.
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<div class="jiegou">
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至于 + Topic，Subj. + Verb Phrase
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=== Examples ===
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* 我们 要 开始 这 个 项目 了，<em>至于</em> 什么 时候 开始，还 没 定。<span class="pinyin">Wǒmen yào kāishǐ zhège xiàngmù le, <em>zhìyú</em> shénme shíhou kāishǐ, hái méi dìng.</span><span class="trans">We're going to start this project, but as for when to start, we still haven't decided.</span>
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* <em>至于</em> 这 个 问题，我们 还 需要 进一步 讨论。<span class="pinyin"><em>Zhìyú</em> zhège wèntí, wǒmen hái xūyào jìnyībù tǎolùn.</span><span class="trans">As for this issue, we still need further discussion.</span>
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== Use 至于 to Emphasize Degree ==
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=== Structure ===
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As an adverb, it expresses "having reached a certain degree." After it you can add words or phrases that describe degree. You can also say 至于 by itself or use 不至于.
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<div class="jiegou">
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（不）至于 + Degree
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=== Examples ===
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* 这 点 小 事情，<em>至于</em> 这么 生气 吗？<span class="pinyin">Zhè diǎn xiǎo shìqing, <em>zhìyú</em> zhème shēngqì ma?</span><span class="trans">Over such a small thing, why are you so angry?</span>
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* 我 是 不 高兴，但 <em>不 至于</em> 不 跟 你 说话。<span class="pinyin">Wǒ shì bù gāoxìng, dàn <em>bù zhìyú</em> bù gēn nǐ shuōhuà.</span><span class="trans">I'm not happy, but not to the point that I won't talk with you.</span>
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* <em>至于</em> 吗 ？<span class="expl">Questioning someone's overreaction, perhaps</span><span class="pinyin"><em>Zhìyú</em> ma?</span><span class="trans">Is it that serious?</span>
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== Common Mistakes ==
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<li class="x">你 <em>至于</em> 这 个 问题 怎么 看？<span class="pinyin">Nǐ <em>zhìyú</em> zhège wèntí, zěnme kàn?</span></li>
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<li class="o"><em>至于</em> 这 个 问题， 你 怎么 看？<span class="pinyin"><em>Zhìyú</em> zhège wèntí, nǐ zěnme kàn?</span><span class="trans">Regarding this issue, what do you think?</span></li>
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<li class="o"><em>至于</em> 他 的 无礼，你 是不是 不 太 高兴？<span class="pinyin"><em>Zhìyú</em> tā de wúlǐ, nǐ shì bu shì bù tài gāoxìng?</span></li>
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<li class="o"><em>对于</em> 他 的 无礼，你 是不是 不 太 高兴？<span class="pinyin"><em>Duìyú</em> tā de wúlǐ, nǐ shì bu shì bù tài gāoxìng?</span><span class="trans">Are you not to happy about his rude behavior?</span></li>
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== Sources and further reading ==
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=== Books ===
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{{Source|对外汉语教学语法释疑201例|203, 207}}
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{{Source|现代汉语八百词（增订本）|240, 683}}
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{{Source|现代汉语虚词例释|211,651}}
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{{Source|卓越汉语－公司实战篇|98}}
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=== Dictionaries ===
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{{Source|现代汉语词典（第5版）|501, 346, 1755}}
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[[Category:grammar comparison]]
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{{Basic Grammar|对于|B2|关于 vs 对于 vs 至于|<em>关于</em> 放假， <em>对于</em> 怎么解决，<em>至于</em>另外一份工作 。|grammar point|ASGC01S0}}
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{{Rel char|关于}}
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{{Rel char|至于}}
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{{Rel char|于}}
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{{Rel char|对}}
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{{Similar|Expressing "with regards to" with "zhiyu"}}
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{{Similar|Comparing "dui" and "duiyu"}}
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{{Similar|Comparing "guanyu" and "duiyu"}}
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{{Used for|Adding more explanation}}
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{{Used for|Connecting ideas}}
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{{Comparison|Prepositions}}
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{{Translation|to}}
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Latest revision as of 09:33, 14 January 2021

The differences between 对于 (duìyú) and 至于 (zhìyú) can be confusing. They both have similar meanings like "concerning," "regarding" or "as for," and differences are subtle.

Use 对于 to Emphasizes the Object

对于 usually emphasizes the thing that it is pointing to. Usually where you use 对 you can also use 对于.

Structure

As an adverb or adverbial clause, you can place 对于 before or after the subject. It cannot be an attributive modifier (coming before a noun).

Subj. + 对于 + Object + Predicate

对于 + Object， Subj. + Predicate

Examples

  • 对于 电脑 ，我 什么 都 不 懂。Duìyú diànnǎo, wǒ shénme dōu bù dǒng.With regards to computers, I don't understand anything.
  • 我 对于 电脑 什么 都 不 懂。Wǒ duìyú diànnǎo shénme dōu bù dǒng.I don't understand anything about computers.
  • 对于 这 种 人，就 不 该 跟 他们 讲 道理。Duìyú zhè zhǒng rén, jiù bù gāi gēn tāmen jiǎng dàolǐ.With this kind of person, you shouldn't try to reason with them.

Use 至于 to Change the Topic

Note that to change a topic, there needs to be another topic first. So you don't use 至于 to start an entirely new discussion free of any existing topic.

Structure

As a preposition, 至于 points to another topic, serving to change the subject of conversation.

至于 + Topic，Subj. + Verb Phrase

Examples

  • 我们 要 开始 这 个 项目 了，至于 什么 时候 开始，还 没 定。Wǒmen yào kāishǐ zhège xiàngmù le, zhìyú shénme shíhou kāishǐ, hái méi dìng.We're going to start this project, but as for when to start, we still haven't decided.
  • 至于 这 个 问题，我们 还 需要 进一步 讨论。Zhìyú zhège wèntí, wǒmen hái xūyào jìnyībù tǎolùn.As for this issue, we still need further discussion.

Use 至于 to Emphasize Degree

Structure

As an adverb, it expresses "having reached a certain degree." After it you can add words or phrases that describe degree. You can also say 至于 by itself or use 不至于.

（不）至于 + Degree

Examples

  • 这 点 小 事情，至于 这么 生气 吗？Zhè diǎn xiǎo shìqing, zhìyú zhème shēngqì ma?Over such a small thing, why are you so angry?
  • 我 是 不 高兴，但 不 至于 不 跟 你 说话。Wǒ shì bù gāoxìng, dàn bù zhìyú bù gēn nǐ shuōhuà.I'm not happy, but not to the point that I won't talk with you.
  • 至于 吗 ？Questioning someone's overreaction, perhapsZhìyú ma?Is it that serious?

Common Mistakes

  • 你 至于 这 个 问题 怎么 看？Nǐ zhìyú zhège wèntí, zěnme kàn?
  • 至于 这 个 问题， 你 怎么 看？Zhìyú zhège wèntí, nǐ zěnme kàn?Regarding this issue, what do you think?
  • 至于 他 的 无礼，你 是不是 不 太 高兴？Zhìyú tā de wúlǐ, nǐ shì bu shì bù tài gāoxìng?
  • 对于 他 的 无礼，你 是不是 不 太 高兴？Duìyú tā de wúlǐ, nǐ shì bu shì bù tài gāoxìng?Are you not to happy about his rude behavior?

Sources and further reading

Books

Dictionaries

HSK5



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