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Taiwanese Mandarin differs slightly from Mainland Mandarin. (Don't be surprised if a Beijinger tells you these patterns are 100% ''wrong''.) A characteristic of Taiwanese Mandarin is the extensive usage of 有 as in the examples that follow.
  
You've likely learned long ago that the particle 过 is placed after verbs to indicate a prior experience. In Taiwan (and some areas of mainland China), however, a 有 frequently comes before the verbs as well.
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NOTE: we're talking about ''regional usage'' of ''Mandarin Chinese'' here, not other Taiwanese dialects/topolects. It's good for upper intermediate learners to know about these patterns simply because at this level you don't want to be confused by the basic grammar of a Taiwanese speaker's Mandarin.
  
== Original Structure ==
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== Basic Usage ==
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Some verbs, especially when followed by certain complements, indicate completeness. When 有 is used with these verbs, it's a clear reference to the past.
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=== Structure ===
  
 
<div class="jiegou">
 
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Subj. + 有 + [Verb Phrase]
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=== Examples ===
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*我们 <em>有</em> 听懂 你 的 话 。<span class="pinyin">Wǒmen <em>yǒu</em> tīng dǒng nǐ dehuà.</span><span class="trans">We understood what you said.</span>
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*我们 都 <em>有</em> 听到 宝宝 哭 。<span class="pinyin">Wǒmen dōu <em>yǒu</em> tīng dào bǎobao kū.</span><span class="trans">We all heard the baby cry.</span>
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*我 <em>有</em> 看到 他们 吵架 。<span class="pinyin">Wǒ <em>yǒu</em> kàn dào tāmen chǎojià.</span><span class="trans">I saw them fighting.</span>
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When 有 is put in front of action verbs in Taiwanese Mandarin, it can indicate that the verb is still continuing.
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<div class="liju">
  
Subject + Verb + 过 + Object
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*他 <em>有</em> 学 ,而且 很 喜欢 。<span class="pinyin">Tā <em>yǒu</em> xué, érqiě hěn xǐhuan.</span><span class="trans">He's studying it and he likes it very much.</span>
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*我 <em>有</em> 吃 ,但是 不太 饿 。<span class="pinyin">Wǒ <em>yǒu</em> chī, dànshì bù tài è.</span><span class="trans">I am eating, but I'm not too hungry.</span>
  
 
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== Taiwanese Version of the Structure ==
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== Adjectives after 有 ==
  
Note the addition of the 有 here before the verb.
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Adjectives can also follow 有. This pattern is used for statement about the past, and a 到 must follow the adjectives.
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=== Structure ===
  
 
<div class="jiegou">
 
<div class="jiegou">
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Subj. + 有 + Adj. + 到
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</div>
  
Subject + + Verb + 过 + Object
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=== Examples ===
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<div class="liju">
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*昨天 搬家 ,真的 <em></em> 累 <strong>到</strong> 。<span class="pinyin">Zuótiān bānjiā, zhēn de <em>yǒu</em> lèi <strong>dào</strong>.</span><span class="trans">I was moving yesterday and I was so tired.</span>
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*他 突然 要 分手 ,我 真的 <em>有</em> 伤 <strong>到</strong> 。<span class="pinyin">Tā tūrán yào fēnshǒu, wǒ zhēn de <em>yǒu</em> shāng <strong>dào</strong>.</span><span class="trans">He asked to break up out of nowhere. I was so hurt.</span>
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*你们 突然 大叫 着 跑 出来 ,我 真的 <em>有</em> 吓 <strong>到</strong> !<span class="pinyin">Nǐmen tūrán dà jiàozhe pǎo chūlai, wǒ zhēn de <em>yǒu</em> xià <strong>dào</strong>!</span><span class="trans">You guys suddenly came running out screaming loudly. I was so scared!</span>
  
 
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Note that in Beijing Mandarin, this use of the 有 is ''incorrect''. It is, however, extremely common in Taiwan and even some neighboring parts of mainland China.
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== Adj. not in the past tense using ==
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Some adjectives can follow 有 when not referring to past events.
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=== Structure ===
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<div class="jiegou">
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Subj. + 有 + Adj.
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</div>
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=== Examples ===
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<div class="liju">
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*大家 都 <em>有</em> 激动 。<span class="pinyin">Dàjiā dōu <em>yǒu</em> jīdòng.</span><span class="trans">Everyone is excited.</span>
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*我 <em>有</em> 紧张 吗 ?<span class="pinyin">Wǒ <em>yǒu</em> jǐnzhāng ma?</span><span class="trans">Do I look like I'm nervous?</span>
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*你 说话 <em>有</em> 不 礼貌 。<span class="pinyin">Nǐ shuōhuà <em>yǒu</em> bù lǐmào.</span><span class="trans">The way you speak is impolite.</span>
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== Used with Verb + 过 ==
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=== Structure ===
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<div class="jiegou">
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Subj. + 有 + Verb + 过 + Obj.
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</div>
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=== Examples ===
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<div class="liju">
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*我 <em>有</em> 去 <strong>过</strong> 中国 。<span class="pinyin">Wǒ <em>yǒu</em> qù <strong>guò</strong> Zhōngguó.</span><span class="trans">I have been to China.</span>
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*我 <em>有</em> 学 <strong>过</strong> 这 个 词 。<span class="pinyin">Wǒ <em>yǒu</em> xué <strong>guò</strong> zhège cí.</span><span class="trans">I have studied this word.</span>
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*你 <em>有</em> 见 <strong>过</strong> 那 个 人 吗?<span class="pinyin">Nǐ <em>yǒu</em> jiàn <strong>guò</strong> nàge rén ma?</span><span class="trans">Have you seen that person before?</span>
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*你 <em>有</em> 自己 做 <strong>过</strong> 饭 吗 ?<span class="pinyin">Nǐ <em>yǒu</em> zìjǐ zuò <strong>guò</strong> fàn ma?</span><span class="trans">Have you ever cooked for yourself?</span>
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== 在 after 有 ==
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In Standard Mandarin, using 在 before a verb is similar to adding -ing after a verb in English. When used with 有 in front of it, it is usually referring to habitual action, or an action that can be stopped. This is not referring to the past, but rather a continuing action.
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=== Structure ===
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<div class="jiegou">
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Subj. + 有 + 在 + Verb
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== Examples ==
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=== Examples ===
  
 
<div class="liju">
 
<div class="liju">
  
* <em>有</em> <strong></strong> 中国。<span class="trans">I have been to China.</span>
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*<em>有</em> <strong></strong> 做 兼职 吗?<span class="pinyin"><em>yǒu</em> <strong>zài</strong> zuò jiānzhí ma?</span><span class="trans">Are you doing a part time job?</span>
* 他 <em></em> <strong></strong> 小笼包。<span class="trans">He has eaten steamed dumplings.</span>
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*我 <em>有</em> <strong></strong> 考虑 跟 她 分手 。<span class="pinyin"><em>yǒu</em> <strong>zài</strong> kǎolǜ gēn tā fēnshǒu.</span><span class="trans">I am considering breaking up with her.</span>
* 你 <em>有</em> 见 <strong>过</strong> 那 个 人 吗?<span class="trans">Have you seen that person before?</span>
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*我 妈妈 <em>有</em> <strong></strong> 吃素 。<span class="pinyin">Wǒ māma <em>yǒu</em> <strong>zài</strong> chīsù.</span><span class="trans">My mom eats vegetarian.</span>
* 我 <em>有</em> <strong></strong> 这样 的 工作。<span class="trans">I have done work like this before.</span>
 
* 你 <em></em> 自己 做 <strong></strong> 饭 吗?<span class="trans">Have you ever cooked for yourself?</span>
 
* 你 <em>有</em> 学 <strong>过</strong> 中文?<span class="trans">Have you ever studied Chinese?</span>
 
* 你 <em>有</em> 看 <strong>过</strong> 这 个 电影 吗?<span class="trans">Have you seen this movie?</span>
 
* 我 <em>有</em> <strong></strong> 这 个 词。<span class="trans">I have studied this word.</span>
 
* 我 <em></em> <strong></strong> 电脑,我 会 用。<span class="trans">I have used a computer before, I can use it.</span>
 
* 我 <em>有</em> 买 <strong>过</strong> 这里 的 巧克力,不 好吃。<span class="trans">I have bought the chocolate here, it's not good.</span>
 
  
 
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=== Books ===
 
=== Books ===
  
* [[A Practical Chinese Grammar For Foreigners (外国人实用汉语语法) ]] (p. 138) [http://www.amazon.cn/mn/detailApp?_encoding=UTF8&tag=allset-23&linkCode=as2&asin=B001J0ADWA&camp=536&creative=3132&creativeASIN=B001J0ADWA →buy]
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{{Source|A Practical Chinese Grammar For Foreigners (外国人实用汉语语法)|}}
* [[Chinese: An Essential Grammar, Second Edition]] (pp. 59-60) [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0415372615/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=allset-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=0415372615 →buy]
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{{Source|Chinese: An Essential Grammar, Second Edition|59-60}}
* [[Chinese Grammar Without Tears (简明汉语语法学习手册) ]] (pp. 73-4) [http://www.amazon.cn/mn/detailApp/ref=as_li_ss_tl?_encoding=UTF8&tag=allset-23&linkCode=as2&asin=B0041UGAJU&camp=536&creative=3132&creativeASIN=B0041UGAJU →buy]
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{{Source|Chinese Grammar Without Tears (简明汉语语法学习手册) |73-4}}
* [[Integrated Chinese: Level 1, Part 2 (3rd ed)]] (pp. 83- 4) [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0887276709/ref%3das_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=allset-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=0887276709 →buy]
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{{Source|Integrated Chinese: Level 1, Part 2 (3rd ed)|83- 4}}
* [[Integrated Chinese: Level 2, Part 1]] (pp. 345-7) [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0887276792/ref%3das_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=allset-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=0887276792 →buy]
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{{Source|Integrated Chinese: Level 2, Part 1|345-7}}
* [[Integrated Chinese: Level 2, Part 2]] (pp. 49-51) [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0887276881/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=allset-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0887276881 →buy]
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{{Source|Integrated Chinese: Level 2, Part 2|49-51}}
* [[Modern Mandarin Chinese Grammar: A Practical Guide]] (pp. 76-7, 230-2) [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0415700108?ie=UTF8&tag=allset-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0415700108 →buy]
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{{Source|Modern Mandarin Chinese Grammar: A Practical Guide|76-7, 230-2}}
* [[New Practical Chinese Reader 2 (新实用汉语课本2)]] (pp. 175-6) [http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/7561911297/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=allset-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=7561911297 →buy]
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{{Source|New Practical Chinese Reader 2 (新实用汉语课本2)|175-6}}
*[[40 Lessons for Basic Chinese Course (基础汉语40课上册)]] (p. 188)[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FTL8D8/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001FTL8D8&linkCode=as2&tag=allset-20 →buy]
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{{Source|40 Lessons for Basic Chinese Course (基础汉语40课上册)|188}}
  
 
=== Websites ===
 
=== Websites ===
  
* ChinesePod: [http://chinesepod.com/lessons/%E8%BF%87guo Qing Wen - 过(guo)] (free podcast content)
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*ChinesePod: [http://chinesepod.com/lessons/%E8%BF%87guo Qing Wen - 过(guo)] (free podcast content)
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*[http://nccur.lib.nccu.edu.tw/bitstream/140.119/60384/1/101501.pdf]
  
 
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Latest revision as of 02:07, 18 December 2020

Taiwanese Mandarin differs slightly from Mainland Mandarin. (Don't be surprised if a Beijinger tells you these patterns are 100% wrong.) A characteristic of Taiwanese Mandarin is the extensive usage of 有 as in the examples that follow.

NOTE: we're talking about regional usage of Mandarin Chinese here, not other Taiwanese dialects/topolects. It's good for upper intermediate learners to know about these patterns simply because at this level you don't want to be confused by the basic grammar of a Taiwanese speaker's Mandarin.

Basic Usage

Some verbs, especially when followed by certain complements, indicate completeness. When 有 is used with these verbs, it's a clear reference to the past.

Structure

Subj. + 有 + [Verb Phrase]

Examples

  • 我们 听懂 你 的 话 。Wǒmen yǒu tīng dǒng nǐ dehuà.We understood what you said.
  • 我们 都 听到 宝宝 哭 。Wǒmen dōu yǒu tīng dào bǎobao kū.We all heard the baby cry.
  • 看到 他们 吵架 。yǒu kàn dào tāmen chǎojià.I saw them fighting.

When 有 is put in front of action verbs in Taiwanese Mandarin, it can indicate that the verb is still continuing.

  • 学 ,而且 很 喜欢 。yǒu xué, érqiě hěn xǐhuan.He's studying it and he likes it very much.
  • 吃 ,但是 不太 饿 。yǒu chī, dànshì bù tài è.I am eating, but I'm not too hungry.

Adjectives after 有

Adjectives can also follow 有. This pattern is used for statement about the past, and a 到 must follow the adjectives.

Structure

Subj. + 有 + Adj. + 到

Examples

  • 昨天 搬家 ,真的 Zuótiān bānjiā, zhēn de yǒu lèi dào.I was moving yesterday and I was so tired.
  • 他 突然 要 分手 ,我 真的 Tā tūrán yào fēnshǒu, wǒ zhēn de yǒu shāng dào.He asked to break up out of nowhere. I was so hurt.
  • 你们 突然 大叫 着 跑 出来 ,我 真的 Nǐmen tūrán dà jiàozhe pǎo chūlai, wǒ zhēn de yǒu xià dào!You guys suddenly came running out screaming loudly. I was so scared!

Adj. not in the past tense using 有

Some adjectives can follow 有 when not referring to past events.

Structure

Subj. + 有 + Adj.

Examples

  • 大家 都 激动 。Dàjiā dōu yǒu jīdòng.Everyone is excited.
  • 紧张 吗 ?yǒu jǐnzhāng ma?Do I look like I'm nervous?
  • 你 说话 不 礼貌 。Nǐ shuōhuà yǒu bù lǐmào.The way you speak is impolite.

Used with Verb + 过

Structure

Subj. + 有 + Verb + 过 + Obj.

Examples

  • 中国 。yǒuguò Zhōngguó.I have been to China.
  • 这 个 词 。yǒu xué guò zhège cí.I have studied this word.
  • 那 个 人 吗?yǒu jiàn guò nàge rén ma?Have you seen that person before?
  • 自己 做 饭 吗 ?yǒu zìjǐ zuò guò fàn ma?Have you ever cooked for yourself?

在 after 有

In Standard Mandarin, using 在 before a verb is similar to adding -ing after a verb in English. When used with 有 in front of it, it is usually referring to habitual action, or an action that can be stopped. This is not referring to the past, but rather a continuing action.

Structure

Subj. + 有 + 在 + Verb

Examples

  • 做 兼职 吗?yǒu zài zuò jiānzhí ma?Are you doing a part time job?
  • 考虑 跟 她 分手 。yǒu zài kǎolǜ gēn tā fēnshǒu.I am considering breaking up with her.
  • 我 妈妈 吃素 。Wǒ māma yǒu zài chīsù.My mom eats vegetarian.

Sources and further reading

Books

Websites

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